yeah, i get what u try to say bout the geo thing. is the same to pI. we learnt it in schools. its just that geo is from form 1 to 3 but pI, for us is up to form 6. cuz there is more to learn. yet we were just using text book.. if we were using korang, i guess the topic of this post would be different right? theres no religious studies that are complimentary in medic or law schools. they are optional.
talking bout interest. sorry for saying this directly. its true that students might get interest in geo for example later on. from ur point of view, what the heck bout religions studies right? yet if u widen ur scope of view, u'll see that its just u that is not interested in pI. most people in ur college for example has deep affections towards religions. people actually enjoy it.. some might not but they still learn it cuz of fear towards god.
about the test, its not to test ur faith. duh.. let me ask u a basic question. whats the purpose of test? its to assess ur knowledge. driving test for example, do those who failed their computer test signifies that they are lack in driing skills? the pI test is actually is to make sure that u study the syllabus text. pendidikan jasmani test for example, its not actually a test right? we all know that it is not important as our final year exam doesn't incude the test mark.. so, whats the average score? how many of us study for it? so, back to the topic, the test is to ensure that we study the agama islam.
i do not understand your advice at all. sorry.
i do not understand why do you have to take my question as an attack and get all offensive. but it's fun reading what you write.
i do not understand how religious studies can be "complimentary" as opposed to optional. try compulsory.
i do not understand the need to bring up religious studies in medic or law school. i mentioned it to prove that geography is taught at lower levels of education, where students haven't really specify their course of studies. once one have enrolled into a medical or law school, geography is useless in the pursuit of becoming a doctor or lawyer. my "complain" about the test of pendidikan islam was about how the syllabus is decided and what is the ministry of education trying to assess from students.
i did not say religious studies are useless. i was just questioning how it would be carried out, and in this case, specifically on the use of textbooks instead of the koran itself. i have no affection for religion, or so you would assume safely behind your anonymity, but like i said, it doesn't stop me from trying to learn more about it. not because of im pious, or i want to get closer to God, or fear towards God. i do it because i want to know. which is the exact same intention i had when i asked that question in the previous post.
i was being sarcastic, but i guess it doesn't work on you. yes, the test is not about faith. it's about everything in the syllabus. if you fail the computer test in a driving test, it does mean you are lacking in driving skills. let's not forget driving skills includes the ability to judge a situation or traffic, or road conditions and signboards. being able to drive means nothing if you don't know what the sign means.
so if the test is to ensure that we study islam, what does it assess? pendidikan is a whole lot more holistic than pengetahuan btw. to be "didik" well, is more than to be smart. it's to be well mannered as well,...like introducing yourself when speaking to someone. so if it is pengetahuan, or pengajian islam, i would have no objection. but pendidikan islam does not include only knowledge. so is pendidikan islam, its syllabus and its tests coherent?
i didn't remove your post. i just got an email notification. it didnt even come up on my page.
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just a short interruption here...no offence....dun take me as condemning or judging ur religion or watever....dun even think i m attacking ur religion or watever....just dun b sensitive k....i was just thinking....wats wrong questioning a religion??? after all....one dun folo blindly....if 1 says he is a muslim yet doesnt noe anything bout it, wats the difference between him n a non-believer??? 2 question sumthing simply means tat u r trying 2 reason things....n if u r satisfied with ur reasoning, u get more knowledge n tat will surely strengthen ur faith.....once again...no offence....but if ppl keep insisting sum1 to FOLO n DUN ASK.....isnt tat same as forcing???? well.....being a believer is one thing....knowing a religion is another....i dun c anything wrong in questioning a religion.....infact....rite now, he is not even questioning it....he is questioning the education....n from an outsiders' point of view....he dun seem 2 b denying islam....yet he always receive comments like as though he is insulting it....wat wrong questioning??? after all....once the "truth" hits him, he will fully understand n b satisfied....or r u saying tat he shudnt question because the "truth" doesnt exist???=)....cant ppl just answer his questions like answering sum1 who is really seeking God in Islam n wonder at certain things instead of keep "bombing" him like he just insulted God??? ok....tats all.....no offence....lolz....b happy...=)
whoaa..i was kinda loves to read the reply that u get la weyh..and of course your post as well but not as much as the reply(hehe)..im glad i found something i can think about and "analysis" and make my otak yg karat nie works again after about quite 2 years this place didnt give my otak works for anything..(seriously,spm was so much better than staying here..i miss add math so much now)
" if you fail the computer test in a driving test, it does mean you are lacking in driving skills. let's not forget driving skills includes the ability to judge a situation or traffic, or road conditions and signboards. being able to drive means nothing if you don't know what the sign means. "
i think these words makes me question the same thing too..
and btw, no offence readers..i am a muslim as well and my knowledge about Islam is not what im proud of but i still thinks that most of you didnt answer the question at all but yet, i have fun reading..
-ezz ahmad =p
lolz.....agree agree....i seldom c questions answered but instead he was questioned 4 questioning sumthing.....well...no offence though....=)
steve : good to have you around. hehehe. got gang now =)
ezz : if you are too free, try writing something controversial on your blog. you'll have fun seeing the comments you get. =p
so wat now??? the cross n the crescent join forces in search of answers behind the crescent??? lolz....wat m i talking bout??? i dunno....hahaha.....so just continue wat u r doing n we shall c wats next.....lolz
steve : rite???i think they make ben write another question based on their "answer" for ben's question..(sorry..)
ben : reading yours is enough..besides, i am fully under government(the ministry of education, to be precise)wait till someone promote me to be a headmistress.hehe
i prefer my blog private than make it public coz i kutuk-ing my college mates(and lecturers)^o^
wow. 24hours is all it takes for hell to break loose on Benjamin's page...or less.
It's really aggravating to find people who do not have the guts to use their own identity when firing upon someone else. I'm sorry Anonymous muslim but that indirectly sends out the message that you neither have the courage nor the points to have a firm stand in your argument. This isn't about debating. It's about believing in what you have to say. I understand your point of views and I could have accepted them easily if you had not used a flimsy language and identity. To make someone change, you're supposed to show them a better view of yourself/your religion, not a tarnished reflection of themselves.
YES, Benjamin only scored an A2 in his P.I but that can also prove that he has a bad memory/poor understanding of the subject (possibly the religion itself). There are plenty of people who scored A1 for their P.I SPM but fail miserably when it comes to practice. Just because someone completes his/her PAFA assessment it doesn't mean that he/she has memorised the Doa Qunut/able to remember the Tayamum steps backwards/practices the habits of a good child. By the end of the day, an Islamic exam paper is merely a test in your knowledge. Not your faith.
YES his provoking blog posts can get on your nerves at times but does that justify your actions of condemning someone who obviously needs explanation?
I may be wrong in this, but the previous blog post was concerning the system and the people. Not the religion.
If there are individuals who find that Benjamin's posts are disturbing/humiliating/rude/hurtful, may I suggest that you stay away from this electronic page? It's just one out of zillions in the black hole of cyberspace.
I am tired of all the contentious debates on politics and religions. Really, I do not find the need to engage myself in a debate with another with regards to the above matter. Especially, when it's concerning my personal faith. I am still discovering myself on a daily basis so I really do like to keep things simple.
But do excuse my ignorance, I would like to address you mr/miss anonymous. Why are you doing this? Can you please justify it? You don't have to post your response here. Just think about it. As mentioned by Alia'a, if there is anything that you fundamentally disagree in this blog, you are free to stay away from it. Take the high road. Be the gentlemen. Whatever.
Shrug it off and dismiss it as being insipid.
Essentially, I am doing the same with your comment.
So do have some food for thought and have a great day ahead mr/miss anonymous.
it assess how far do we understand based on the syllabus. what is it that u dont understand? u said about to be well mannered. in the syllabus, theres ne part about akhlak, it teaches about manner.. but it depends on individuals. like someone is taught how to pray, later on it depends on the person whether he want to pray or not. yes it isnt just about knowledge, so just dont stop there. try to learn more. learning is not just about asking irrelevant questions, u have to try to learn it urself. find different resources.
STEVE
u r right. i agreed with u. but there are several types of questioning. HE is always questioning as 'why' and not 'how'.. for example, this is not what he asked, just the same type. one asked why shud we pray? instead if he wants to improve himself, he shud asked how do we perfect our prayers.. . here, he is asking why government didnt use koran as the syllabus. im telling him that its hard to learn in arabic. and im not attacking him, im giving him an example. if learning in jawi with very short syllabus compared to koran, u only managed an a2 in exam, yet he wanted to learn using koran. then, he questioned what does the test assess. its like asking whats the purpose of the test, in directly whats the purpose of learning pendidikan islam in school if its not based on koran. yet he said that he want to understand more. just learn the pendidikan islam. he can always recite the koran. learning from textbook doesnt mean that u shud abandon the koran.
KARMEN
its mr...
blog is just a place to express thoughts... ben expressed his thoughts and i expressed mine.. theres nothing wrong with ben expressing his and im just commenting it.. i will surely walk away when i want to.. but u r tired of reading, so just dont read. simple.
anonymous :
do you really have to make drafts of your comments? i got them all.
"theres ne part about akhlak, it teaches about manner.. but it depends on individuals. like someone is taught how to pray"
"yes it isnt just about knowledge"
you seem prejudiced by my method of questioning. you see, HOW is to understand the mechanics of something, and WHY is to reason something. if, like you said, one is taught HOW to pray, he would know how, but he would see no reason behind it. because when he asked WHY, people like you would say that question is irrelevant. so since he has no reason to pray, he would probably see no justification of praying.
i asked who the heck came up with PI test because i was questioning who would conveniently decide what a Muslim must know at certain levels of education. but of course, you didn't get it either. we are talking about religion here, one's path to God. geography is on a different plane here. i know muslims can take various resources and compare textbooks and the koran. its better. but let's not forget PI has its part about those caliph and scholars. what does being a muslim has anything to do with them? THAT is my question, PI, test, syllabus. are they coherent.
about your drafted example of driving skills, im saving you from further humiliation by not reposting it.
"just learn the pendidikan islam. he can always recite the koran"
the malaysian culture of "reading" the koran has always baffled me. i cant recite the koran, not at all. but at least i take a few books and compare the translation.
some just recite the whole koran, and only understand parts of it that are quoted into textbooks with bm translation. they try so hard to pronounce everything with such beautiful tone, and yet, do not fully understand the koran.
if you don't like it, you can leave this blog alone.
hahaha....yea u r rite....he ask WHY and not HOW.....dude....tats wat i meant when i say he is trying 2 REASON things.....allrite....lets now assume 4 the sake of "argument" tat ben was born in a family with religion ABCD......the religion requires him 2 jump like a frog every morning.....so wat do u wan him 2 do??? ask HOW 2 jump like a frog????? come on man.....b more open minded....can u only c things when i take it 2 the extreme level of "jumping like a frog"???? its the same 4 every single thing in this world man....a person have the rights 2 noe WHY is it so....i dun c wats wrong with tat....r u tat blind 2 just do watever a person ask u 2 do???? so the question WHY is forbidden in Islam???? pls dun disgrace ur own religion.....=)
A note to all anonymous, please try to at least make up a name for yourselves when commenting on people's blog. Just pick a name, any name, besides Danny (my name), and Takuya (what people call me in Japan). You don't have to sign in to a google account, just choose the Name/URL option and put a name there (URL is optional). It's pretty confusing when you have like 10 different anonymous debating among each other in a certain topic, and you don't know who is who. And secondly, people could do this to you:
BEN
i just realized that i was totally wrong about everything i've said. im really sorry. i was just being defensive. i actually agreed with every single thing u said. i hope u can accept my apology, and that we could someday be best friends. regards, anonymous.
is tat the same anonymous tat reply 2 my comment???? @.@
STEVE
yes steve, this is the same anonymous who has been replying to ur comments. i have now realized my mistakes, and i admit utter defeat. as a token of apology, I would like to treat you all to a nice dinner at PJ Hilton, and you may order anything you want. everyone is invited, and you're encouraged to bring along ur family, ur cousins, ur frens, and ur neighbours as well. i hope miss Alia'a would be able to come as well. i would like to get to know u better in person, and learn how to pronounce ur name correctly. again, i hope u all would be able to accept my sincerest apology. regards, anonymous.
oh my, that's very kind of you anonymous. :)
ROFL
best comments ever. hahahah
STEVE
by the way steve, i love u.
omg??? now i m confused??? is tat sarcasm or sincerity???(no offence) if its sarcasm then its a gud 1....if its sincerity then its a very kind 1.....lolz.....@.@.....anyway.....there r nth wrong with any1 also....its just our mindset playing with us....u dun need 2 apologize 4 anything....its just a different way of thinking....n if u r truly sincere in wat u r doing...tats gud enuf.....thx anyway....=)
do u love me steve?
omg.....do i noe u??? zzzzzz.....
no u don't. and i don't know a single thing about u as well.
*are u just playing along? or u still havent realized who i am?
Steve, its danny all this while lar wei.
allrite.....i dun wana cover.....i admit, i dunno anything....damn....tats 4 being 2 lazy 2 read other ppl's comment.....my wrong....wth man.....=.=.....no wonder it sounds so sarcastic n dumb....=.=///.....stupid me.....n who is danny???? do i noe u???
ok....anyway...now at least i can noe tat the debate is not over n we can get back 2 debating business....lolz.....
Naah, we dont know each other steve. I was just playing with ya cos u're the only one who thought that my anonymous comments were actually from the previous anonymous guy somewhere up there. well, it was fun while it lasted. keep on debating folks. i'll be watching from a distance, and occasionally jump in with unrelated comments.
hahaha...yea...it was fun....lolz.....i didnt noe u were anonymous cos i didnt read ur comments....=.=....wat a shame of myself....hahaha.....>.<.....but where is the ori anonumous now??? hilang d???
hahahaha..
ur blog seriously makes my day bright..
being here, makes my life dull..
haish...
btw.. who's the anon???
the anonymous with good english is danny. i don't know who's the other one with broken english
i truly believe that one's relationship between his or her religion is not something to be judge by college test or evaluations. It is just something between one's self and one's religion. There's no need for others to question or judge it. We are mature enough to handle ourselves.
~ Carmelo ~
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